Describing Hipkins position as in many ways parallel with that of Israel's Netanyahu, the leader of his country, not in opposition, and wanted by the ICC to answer for war crimes, is baffling and repugnant.
FR? Feels like you're projecting and intentionally missing the point no? This is what happens when society loses critical thinking skills :(
I read the only comparison as 'focused on internal stability even at the long term detriment of the party/country'. I didn't read Bryce as saying Hipkins is a war criminal lol
Maybe Labour should read some of Bernard Hickey's excellent economic analysis. He could give them some starters on how to consider new ways of thinking beyond neo-liberal economics. I agree with the above analysis by Bryce. For those of us former Labour supporters the messages from this conference were extremely disappointing. I can't stand Luxon, and his dreadful team and I was hoping that Labour leadership was planning to provide hope for the workers being laid off from North Cape to Bluff. I guess that was expecting too much from this tired lot. Sigh...........
Roger, are you suggesting Hipkins didn’t acknowledge the hikoi? He did - he and his Labour colleagues were out side for several hours with the hikoi in Parliament grounds.
You are right and I am wrong on that score. I can’t find the report that lead me astray. Maybe it doesn’t exist. Oh the woe of fragmented media. I apologise and withdraw, but not for my concern that like the democrats Labour can’t see they are not speaking to the people any more.
I also fear for Labour under Hipkins. He had a golden opportunity to "refloat" the sinking Labour ship that Jacinda had steered into unashamedly neoliberal waters, and push for the working class vote, the "real" Labour loyalists, not the flys-by-night centrists whose main purpose in voting was an "I'm all right, Jack" attitude which took no notice of the real issues which are now sprouting up like weeds under the "slash-and-burnbpolicies of the Coalition. But what did Hipkins do? He continued down the "self-interested" path that's bedevilling politics in general these days, still taking no notice of issues such as Capital Gains, child poverty, the broken health and education systems and the greed-driven activities of both banks and supermarket monopolies. He did nothing that the ordinary voter could say "Well, I'm behind this one!" until recently, when he's suddenly got it into his head that he can get to be Prime Minister again because of the truly dreadful Coalition's antics, and so Capital Gains suddenly "seems like a good idea" to help him get elected. He hasn't got it in him to REALLY AND TRULY change what's happening in this country - as commentator John MacDonald said yesterday in his latest article - if Labour is going to turn the Coalition into a one-term government and get back into power, it's not going to be Chris Hipkins as a leader who will do it with the conviction that's necessary to really change Labour as a political force - the person who should be leading the way is someone who's repeatedly said he doesn't want the job of leading the party (and eventually the Government), but who is acclaimed as the most capable leader and organiser in Labour. It must surely be a matter of time before enough people wake up to what needs to be done and attack the Coalition with leadership that recognises the proper emphasis on what's needed to put this country and it's peoples' wrongs to right!! The sooner the better for all concerned!
I am desperately afraid for Labour. Hipkins is a fence sitter and his shameful lack of acknowledgement of the hikoi in sympathy with the Coalition point of view was an unspeakable travesty. Everything we have seen from Hipkins and his predecessor proves to me that they have lost their way and have no clear and serious principles on which to stand and defend the wrecking ball in power now. Labour seem to think they have done anything wrong and have been run over. They lost the election because they are not principled and focussed like Seymour is. Keiran McAnulty is the only person I've heard speak with the gravity, humility and directness that speaks leadership. Hipkins will loose the election tweaking at the edges. It's not just about CGT/WT it's about a whole and complete and fair tax system that raises enough revenue for social investment. And it's not about hearalding co-governance, it's about the natural use of the talents and knowledge of our neighbours, our iwi, showing mutual respect, reinforcing community against the common trend, and te tiriti can be observed with these things.
I think people need to realize that we voted Labour out at the last election cos their performance is not fit for purpose. Nobody they have in Labour has what it takes to replace Hipkins and win the next election. Luxon may be short on charisma, but these are hard times, and we take the best that we can get and rely on teamwork. As you can see Chippy Hipkins doesnt have these skills, cos he is too busy pleasing the Maori party, and working out what a woman is. I think you desperate lefties need to look at the USA Democrats to understand the situation here.
It would seem Labour are playing a numbers game. Hoping that National will create enough disgruntled swing voters to put them back on treasury benches rather than attract them with policy.
Describing Hipkins position as in many ways parallel with that of Israel's Netanyahu, the leader of his country, not in opposition, and wanted by the ICC to answer for war crimes, is baffling and repugnant.
FR? Feels like you're projecting and intentionally missing the point no? This is what happens when society loses critical thinking skills :(
I read the only comparison as 'focused on internal stability even at the long term detriment of the party/country'. I didn't read Bryce as saying Hipkins is a war criminal lol
Maybe Labour should read some of Bernard Hickey's excellent economic analysis. He could give them some starters on how to consider new ways of thinking beyond neo-liberal economics. I agree with the above analysis by Bryce. For those of us former Labour supporters the messages from this conference were extremely disappointing. I can't stand Luxon, and his dreadful team and I was hoping that Labour leadership was planning to provide hope for the workers being laid off from North Cape to Bluff. I guess that was expecting too much from this tired lot. Sigh...........
Roger, are you suggesting Hipkins didn’t acknowledge the hikoi? He did - he and his Labour colleagues were out side for several hours with the hikoi in Parliament grounds.
You are right and I am wrong on that score. I can’t find the report that lead me astray. Maybe it doesn’t exist. Oh the woe of fragmented media. I apologise and withdraw, but not for my concern that like the democrats Labour can’t see they are not speaking to the people any more.
I also fear for Labour under Hipkins. He had a golden opportunity to "refloat" the sinking Labour ship that Jacinda had steered into unashamedly neoliberal waters, and push for the working class vote, the "real" Labour loyalists, not the flys-by-night centrists whose main purpose in voting was an "I'm all right, Jack" attitude which took no notice of the real issues which are now sprouting up like weeds under the "slash-and-burnbpolicies of the Coalition. But what did Hipkins do? He continued down the "self-interested" path that's bedevilling politics in general these days, still taking no notice of issues such as Capital Gains, child poverty, the broken health and education systems and the greed-driven activities of both banks and supermarket monopolies. He did nothing that the ordinary voter could say "Well, I'm behind this one!" until recently, when he's suddenly got it into his head that he can get to be Prime Minister again because of the truly dreadful Coalition's antics, and so Capital Gains suddenly "seems like a good idea" to help him get elected. He hasn't got it in him to REALLY AND TRULY change what's happening in this country - as commentator John MacDonald said yesterday in his latest article - if Labour is going to turn the Coalition into a one-term government and get back into power, it's not going to be Chris Hipkins as a leader who will do it with the conviction that's necessary to really change Labour as a political force - the person who should be leading the way is someone who's repeatedly said he doesn't want the job of leading the party (and eventually the Government), but who is acclaimed as the most capable leader and organiser in Labour. It must surely be a matter of time before enough people wake up to what needs to be done and attack the Coalition with leadership that recognises the proper emphasis on what's needed to put this country and it's peoples' wrongs to right!! The sooner the better for all concerned!
I am desperately afraid for Labour. Hipkins is a fence sitter and his shameful lack of acknowledgement of the hikoi in sympathy with the Coalition point of view was an unspeakable travesty. Everything we have seen from Hipkins and his predecessor proves to me that they have lost their way and have no clear and serious principles on which to stand and defend the wrecking ball in power now. Labour seem to think they have done anything wrong and have been run over. They lost the election because they are not principled and focussed like Seymour is. Keiran McAnulty is the only person I've heard speak with the gravity, humility and directness that speaks leadership. Hipkins will loose the election tweaking at the edges. It's not just about CGT/WT it's about a whole and complete and fair tax system that raises enough revenue for social investment. And it's not about hearalding co-governance, it's about the natural use of the talents and knowledge of our neighbours, our iwi, showing mutual respect, reinforcing community against the common trend, and te tiriti can be observed with these things.
I think people need to realize that we voted Labour out at the last election cos their performance is not fit for purpose. Nobody they have in Labour has what it takes to replace Hipkins and win the next election. Luxon may be short on charisma, but these are hard times, and we take the best that we can get and rely on teamwork. As you can see Chippy Hipkins doesnt have these skills, cos he is too busy pleasing the Maori party, and working out what a woman is. I think you desperate lefties need to look at the USA Democrats to understand the situation here.
It would seem Labour are playing a numbers game. Hoping that National will create enough disgruntled swing voters to put them back on treasury benches rather than attract them with policy.